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Fixing problems can give you a glimpse of something terrible

I was over at a friend's place today, and there was much swearing about F***ing Vista, and "F***ing Microsoft" because he couldn't get Live Messenger to install succesfully on Vista (Home Premium).

Live Messenger is one of the main things he uses on the computer -- so its broken state meant that a large portion of his investment in a new computer was total waste. Very frustrating stuff.

My friend was pretty certain that I wouldn't be able to fix the problem, because:

  1. he'd spent a long time on it himself (he has a macgyver-like ability to solve problems)
  2. another friend, who is a talented and successful sysadmin had spent many hours trying to fix the problem.

In fact, he was so certain I would fail that he made this generous offer:

If I succeeded at getting Messenger to work on his computer, he would give me the opportunity to take a photo of his fresh new vasectomy wound, and share that photo with the readers of this blog. Seriously.

Too good to pass up, I cracked my knuckles and sat down at the computer.

Well, i tried to diagnose the problem, and i was stonewalled immediately.

The Live Installer (WLInstaller.exe) was failing, and giving no reason, no detail, no error code -- nothing you could use for "direct" troubleshooting.

Worse still, there was absolutely no evidence in the event log.

That was a pretty big fail, on the part of WLInstaller.exe. As usual, I'd like to take a baseball bat to the live team. But Vista didn't seem to be to blame at all.

It is far too easy to blame the Operating System whenever there's a problem on the machine. Does Vista deserve to be cut some slack? Maybe just innocent until proven guilty would be a fair place to start from.

I had momentary visions of using (sysinternals) Process Monitor and Fiddler to see what was really going on. But then I took my usual troubleshooting tactic: JFGI.

Turns a lot of people have trouble installing Messenger if they're behind a proxy.

The file 'WLInstaller.exe' is just a shim that is supposed to grab the real installer files from the internet. But if your machine is behind a certain type of proxy (I don't know what type in particular) then it won't be able to download the real installer files (the .msi).

This forum post, "Install WLinstaller.exe via proxy in Windows Live Messenger", gave a link to download the .msi file directly, and bypass using the broken WLInstaller.

It worked a treat.

You will be pleased to know that I declined the ensuing photo opportunity. I can only imagine that you missed out on seeing something like this.





'lb' on Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:01:08 GMT, sez:

Oh -- and that article i linked to at the end, was found courtesy of Jeff Atwood on twitter. Sickening stuff Jeff, sickening stuff.



'Haacked' on Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:45:30 GMT, sez:

Uh, I'm hesitant to ask what is it about you that your friend would think *that* is such a great reward?



'OJ' on Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:27:01 GMT, sez:

I'm with Haacked. If a mate offered me the chance to see his severed nads as a reward for fixing his machine I'd laugh nervously and change the subject.

:)

On a more serious note, could you have gotten away with installing another MSN client?



'Jon Schneider' on Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:46:29 GMT, sez:

I ran into a similar issue as well recently trying to install Live Writer from behind my proxy server on my work laptop (http://blog.jonschneider.com/2008/04/fix-windows-live-writer-install-we.html). My workaround ended up being to just take the laptop home and install from there.

Seems like the QA folks on the Live team could benefit from adding "user is behind a proxy server" to their test matrix. (The developers should have this case in mind too, of course!)

I wonder how your MacGyver-like friend missed finding the issue with his own JFGI attempt, assuming he made one? Pasting an unfamiliar error message into Google (or the executable name or and any other relevant information in cases where no error message is available, as with the case you encountered) is such a low-cost, potentially-high-benefit (i.e. finding the solution immediately) approach to troubleshooting that it's almost always the first thing I try these days.



'none' on Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:18:26 GMT, sez:

JFGI, the Jewish Federation of Greater Indianapolis fixes installs?



'irf' on Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:54:34 GMT, sez:

I gave up and switched over to pidgin instead. it ended up being the better choice! no more stupid ads, etc either.




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